Louise O'Reilly (Dublin Fingal, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I agree wholeheartedly with Ms Goggin. This is effectively taxpayers' money that is being stolen. Trying to quantify the extent of it would be helpful inasmuch as it would act as a marker in terms of judging how the legislation and any additional powers are performing. Does Ms Goggin get the point I am making? I understand that it is tough because it is a secret practice. That is one of the most awful things about it. Equally, I would be concerned if we are not in a position to set a target to say that this is the extent of it and that we are going to tackle it, because that would send a very powerful message to those people who are engaged in the practice at the moment, that this is quantified and it will not be tolerated. I understand that none of us tolerate it willingly or intentionally, but it is happening and a very clear message should and could be sent to the people who are engaged in that practice at the moment.