Róisín Shortall (Dublin North West, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

Okay, but Covid might be with us for some time. Hopefully, it will not be but it may well be. We need to move on with the reform programme. Everything we say we are aiming for, such as local services being accessible to people, accountability and value for money, cannot be achieved with the present structures. They simply cannot be. If the aim is to move activity out of hospitals into the community, that will not happen as long as there are two separate budgets.