Mr. Dermot O'Leary:

I was going to say there was a certain pleasure in that regard, but that is probably the wrong word. We have been strongly backing a stakeholders forum for a number of years. It has been resisted strenuously by the Department and the NTA. The programme for Government sets out clearly that the forum needs to be established. There have been no conversations to date with anyone about setting it up, but one suspects that the Department responsible - it is the Department of the Green Party's leader - will move quickly. I hope it will. This afternoon's engagement with both groups at this meeting has demonstrated the urgent need for a stakeholders forum where people who work in the industry - I have spoken to the Deputy and she knows about this - and are the experts need to feed their expertise into decision making. This relates to the question on contactless payments. Drivers in Bus Éireann are still handling cash in the middle of a crisis because there is no contactless system. I constantly criticise the NTA, but I do not want to do that. I want to sit around the table and work towards providing transport for all citizens. That is what we should be doing, not sitting in committee rooms knocking one another. I spend a lot of time doing that anyway. I would rather have a forum.

There has been no contact yet with the new Government, but let us hope. The programme for Government sets out clearly that the Government will move immediately to establish the forum.