Richard O'Donoghue (Limerick County, Independent) | Oireachtas source

This goes back to what a previous speaker said: the Department has given us one set of figures to show that it has no concerns but the witnesses have given us another side showing they have concerns. In order to help we must have co-operation so that we can know if there are pockets or cases of people not stepping up to the mark. It is the only way we can help. We are going through the guidelines. In order to help we have to be able to say that the statistics we have been given are wrong and to say where the problem is. If we keep doing what we are doing we will go around in circles and nobody can help each other.