Mr. Jim Breslin:

I ask people to reflect on the fact that there was a public health restriction on the operation of our healthcare facilities. It is not the whole explanation but it is an important contextual factor for why all of our hospitals were not as busy as they are in normal times. People have associated the impact of that with the arrangement with the private hospitals. There is no doubt there were challenges in the arrangement. It involved 18 hospitals and more than 500 independent hospital consultants, and arrangements had to be made in each of those instances-----