Bríd Smith (Dublin South Central, People Before Profit Alliance) | Oireachtas source

I thank Mr. Mulvey for coming here today. I will start with the broader meaning of just transition and how it is interpreted. I had a look at the International Labour Organization standards of what that means and a look at the Paris Agreement, and when I then read the just transition terms of reference that Mr. Mulvey has been handed I thought they are very narrow. Would Mr. Mulvey comment on that?

I also see quite a big gap in Mr. Mulvey's terms of reference. They state that the commissioner will engage with all relevant stakeholders, the first of which on the list are Bord na Móna and the ESB, and quite rightly so, because they are the first to decarbonise and the industries will be affected considerably.

No. vii explicitly states: "The Commissioner will not have a direct role in relation to industrial relations matters in Bord na Mona who will continue to work with the Joint Industrial Relations Council established under the Workplace Relations Commission." Why does Mr. Mulvey believe the ESB has been excluded from that given that it also has internal industrial relations machinery for normal day-to-day issues? Why does Mr. Mulvey believe the ESB is not mentioned in No. vii whereas it is explicitly mentioned in the list of stakeholders with which Mr. Mulvey must engage? He might answer those questions first.