Alan Farrell (Dublin Fingal, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

I do not want to dwell on the public perception, or otherwise, of independence because I believe it is a matter for the beholder. The view of Deputy Sherlock is somewhat different from mine. My observation is that Mr. Elliott was an interim safeguarding manager of the organisation while simultaneously carrying out the historic review. In my mind, he was an employee. Therefore, he is not an independent person. I get that being an interim safeguarding manager is separate from having the role of looking back, which Mr. Elliott is perfectly capable of doing, but I am not convinced that the obligation regarding independence, which others have commented on in recent months, particularly Dr. Shannon, was fulfilled. That is a comment more than a question. I am not questioning Mr. Elliott's professionalism, legacy or what he may do in the future but I feel my comment is worth making because many feel what I feel.

Others have touched on the number of individuals who are currently in Scouting Ireland who have had allegations made against them. Perhaps Mr. Begley might be aware of whether there had been formal suspensions, gardening leave or such arrangements. Have the witnesses come across such arrangements over the past few years, specifically since this process began? Perhaps that question is for Dr. Lawlor given that the other delegates are not as long in their current positions.