Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Tuesday, 3 December 2019

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach

Matters relating to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Discussion

Photo of John McGuinnessJohn McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I understand that but I am saying that the Department should since it is taxpayers' money and since the Department is responsible for its administration. That there is no role shows how wrong the whole process is. I was an employer and know how staff must be managed and how things must be dealt with. The systems in here are geared for failure but nobody wants to change them. I heard on the news on my way here this morning that politicians made the arrangements for politicians. I do not believe they did. I was never asked about them. I am quite happy to give in receipts and so on but nobody wants to listen. The Department says it is the responsibility of the commissioner or somebody else down the road. Auditing is done by Mazars or some other firm. It is an absolute farce. The vast majority of Members and, I am sure, civil servants just come in to do their work and they just want to get on with it. I will have to get Mr. Watt a fobbing machine in order that he might see what it is like.

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