Kate O'Connell (Dublin Bay South, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

With regard to what I should not call the out-of-control expenses because that gives the wrong view, but the expenses or claims that are outside of the immediate control of the board, what are they? The witnesses mentioned they are managing the ones that are within their control. I do not want the narrative to go out that there is some element that is out of control, which is not what is going on.