Mr. Fred Barry:

I am not saying a word otherwise. I have been attending meetings with Ministers for 15 years. I have never taken a minute, myself. I know many of the meetings have been minuted but I do not get a set of minutes afterwards. All I am saying is that many of the meetings are probably minuted, but I am not keeping the minutes and I do not track what his Civil Service support is doing. I presume they are doing whatever they are supposed to do for him.