David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I imagine Mr. Carroll appreciates the difference between consultation and being involved in decision-making. What the Government is doing here with the just transition forum, with which there are difficulties as well - is that it is all about consultation. What we need, and what Deputy Eamon Ryan's Bill is trying to achieve, and what the trade unions are saying, is that the stakeholders need to be involved in decision-making as opposed to not being consulted at all. Does Mr. Carroll accept that there is a frustration on the part of the representatives of the workforce of Bord na Móna, the ESB, and others, who need to be protected? Those trade unions are telling us that the architecture is not what it should be. Mr. Carroll, however, is telling me is that it is. Can he accept the frustration of the trade unions in this regard? What has he learned from what he heard from Ms King last week and from the trade union leaders here today that can result in changes, which will ensure that we get better at just transition?