Mr. Aidan O'Driscoll:

The ERG made this point. It reflected on the progress made under the Toland report. It involved incremental change of a number of systems throughout the Department. The changes were useful and important, and I do not wish to downplay them in any way. Nevertheless, the ERG report, which the Government commissioned, recommended a much more radical transformation of the entire organisation of the Department. That is the point to which I have spoken today.