Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Thursday, 17 October 2019

Public Accounts Committee

Business of Committee

9:00 am

Photo of Seán FlemingSeán Fleming (Laois, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

Allow me to finish. There is a complete distinction between suspected fraud and instances of non-compliance with procedures. Suspected fraud cases mean a potential loss to An Garda Síochána as money would be paid out in a fraudulent manner. Fraud is a criminal issue, not a HR issue. Do members understand the distinction I am making? I am not trying to muddy the waters, but rather trying to clarify. We will go back to what the Deputy said. I am not asking everyone to agree with me, but I see two different issues going on here which are independent of each other. One does not follow the other. I accept that this particular case was dismissed and was probably thrown out of court. However, I can see why, if the Garda believes that one of its members is involved in suspected fraud, it would be a straightforward criminal matter rather than a HR matter. I am just making that observation.

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