Mr. Seamus McCarthy:

That is the learning point to which I was trying to draw attention in 2016. As the representatives of Caranua said, it was already up and running at that point. Perhaps I was coming too late with those points. They were there in 2002 or 2003, as was the underestimation of the payments that would be made, the number of beneficiaries and so on. I was trying to set out the learning the system needed, as a whole, not just in the Department of Education and Skills but in all Departments where such systems were being contemplated.