Mr. Tim Gaston:

We have done a calculation based on journeys taken. This is the same information we discussed earlier. We know how many people have travelled on the service and then we calculate an average fare. If 1,000 people travelled on a particular service last week, we know the average fare of the fare-paying passengers. We apply a discount to that fare. The commercial bus operators in Dublin attract a discount of 70% against the full adult fare when being paid by the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection for free travel, but we have agreed with the Department that we will take a 60% discount for the time being. Those discussions are still under way at present. We simply know how many journeys have happened-----