Pat Casey (Wicklow, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I am just saying that an off-balance sheet model gives us the potential to deliver more. That is why I think it is vital that we get there. I am not arguing with what Mr. Lemass is saying. However, if we had an off-balance sheet model, we could invest a lot more and not affect the fiscal space. The fiscal space holds us back in what we can do.

Mr. Lemass indicated that there are 68,000 on the housing waiting list. Does that exclude those in receipt of HAP?