Mr. Marcus Matthews:

Regarding the figure, the Senator said we must compare apples with apples, not apples with oranges. Our headline figures reflect the maximum and the worst-case scenario of having to build the model with an incredible volume of redundancy. One can talk about clawbacks and success rates, but that is like reading tea leaves as to what the future will be like. One must take the headline figure, the top figure, and presume that it could go that way, just as we picked figures and presumed that a loan scheme could cost up to €500 million and that connection vouchers could cost up to €412 million. In public policy planning, that is how one must look at this. There will be clawbacks and all these other mechanisms, but we does not know exactly how this will turn out. The bottom line is that the Senator is talking in billions of euro and we are talking in millions of euro. It is quite disturbing to me as a citizen that he would not be more prudent in examining the information and reading through in much greater detail the arguments that have been laid out. If we are talking about saving the country these large sums, I think that-----