Mr. Ciarán Devane:

I would need to look into the notes on that to be honest. If it is a role which concerns the integration of care between primary care and acute care, and that person is non-clinical and is classed as a manager, that is still a good investment. If it is a case of shifting the focus away from the front line and disempowering people in the front line because someone else is looking over a staff member's shoulder, as per the Senator's example, that is less of a good investment. We need to get into the specifics and the detail of that. The Senator's caution about the overall rise in numbers and the shift in the ratio is a point well made.