Seán Fleming (Laois, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

Given what has happened with some of the capital projects, it is important that they be incorporated, somewhere along the line, into the new review mechanism that is overseen by the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. I am making that suggestion, to which we will return later. Will the witnesses send us a note setting out what they have said and elaborating on it? It is the first time this new mechanism has been described at an Oireachtas committee meeting. It is welcome and should be put on the record.

My next question relates to staff in section 38 and section 39 organisations. I understand the split across the sector is two thirds HSE staff to one third non-HSE staff. There is a figure in the documents of 76,000 employees at the end of 2018 and another figure of 41,000. If I am reading it right, there are 25,000 staff in voluntary sector acute services and 16,000 in non-acute services. Can the witnesses provide a breakdown among section 38 and 39 organisations, or are the latter included in the numbers at all?