Dr. Diarmuid Torney:

I thank Deputy Eamon Ryan. I want to pick up on, not the detail but the broad thrust of his intervention. Our report is very strong on the need for not just bottom-up governance but also top-down direction from central government. As a result of the fact that such bottom-up collaborative governance is lacking in many cases, we have been drawn to that in our discussion. However, our report indicates that we see both as crucial parts of the governance jigsaw, both the bottom-up experimentation, learning and collaborative governance, and also the top-down direction from central government. The Deputy is right to point that out. Our report endorses that.