Dr. Fergal Lynch:

The model was based on a staffing grant system. The focus was on the cost of staff in not-for-profit entities. It was much lower amounts of money in those years. We are going back a number of years. I am trying to describe a situation whereby the support for childcare began with staffing grants and basic supports for not-for-profit childcare providers. Over time, and only in recent years, we moved to a subsidy system based on funding a child for a number of hours in a specific centre. There is quite a difference between those two models. With regard to what Pobal was able to do or was being asked to do in the earlier years, it was being asked to check that the system was operating satisfactorily-----