Mr. Joe McCarthy:

The point I was going to make and which has been made is that unless working in that setting is manageable and people can stay in it, increasing the number coming into the profession will not make much of a difference. There is plenty of room where Tusla and the Department can enter into negotiations with the colleges and think creatively about all of the points mentioned by the committee, all of which is possible. The working environment and what needs to be done to keep people in, once they come through the door, however they come through it, are the key issues that cannot be forgotten.