Mr. Pat Smyth:

If Tusla was at a point where it felt that it was not getting a response from Scouting Ireland, then there would have been direct communication with the Department to alert it. That is not the stage we were at on 18 February. The communication to Scouting Ireland was to elicit a response from it to Tusla. Depending on how Scouting Ireland would have engaged with those concerns, there would have been a question as to where it went after that. That is not where we were at that stage.