John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

Adding to the list I read to the witness earlier, it states in Mr. Watt's note that the board was established by ministerial order, which is fine, and it was there to plan, design, build, furnish and equip the national hospital in accordance with a brief approved by the HSE with the prior consent of the Minister. The note also mentions the National Development Finance Agency, NDFA, which assisted with a review of the financial robustness of the design team, architects, quantity surveyors and engineers. It is indicated the NDFA has had no involvement with the project since 2016, when the NDFA's formal engagement as adviser to the HSE ended. It is extraordinary that another agency did all of this. We cannot forget the fact that the Comptroller and Auditor General also did a value for money audits and the charge on it was €38,000. In spite of all that, this has happened. It must be said over and over again. We have not got to the end of this by a long shot. If Mr. Watt was concerned about officials and civil servants not doing their job, or indeed the Minister not doing his job, would he feel obliged to say it?