Mr. Peter McCarthy:

This is an incestuous business in that every carrier in the country somehow connects into every other carrier for different reasons. One is all the time trying to build the reach of one's network, much of which is done by me buying a piece from BT, Colt, Eir or whatever it might be. Eir does not sell very much but the other operators do.

We are always trying to build our infrastructural reach. We deal quite a lot with international carriers and they want reach. They want to be able to get to the business communities. We are very lucky with the MANS in that we are providing unique infrastructure to areas of Ireland. There is much infrastructure in Dublin but outside of the city the sort of infrastructure we have is unique. There is also ESBT, which is the telecoms network of the ESB. That is mainly a backhaul network. We use pieces of that for connectivity. It would be the same for Aurora. It will buy bits from us and we buy bits from it. We are always trying to strategically build our network. We are all intertwined. We have BT as a customer and we also provide some services to BT. In fact, up until approximately 2014, we had nearly all of our backhaul with BT and then we moved it to CIE. Up until that point, however, BT would have had a lot of business from us.