Mr. Derek Kickham:

I am very conscious of the time but if it would help - and I hope it does - I want to point out that sometimes people talk of the national broadband plan as though it is all one thing. It is helpful to look at it as the two components that it really has. It has a backhaul requirement, which everybody agrees is required. Everybody also agrees that this has to be fibre and that it has to be extensive. There is no dispute about that. Then there is what we call the "last mile", which is the access piece. There are different views about that.