Mr. Aidan O'Driscoll:

To be clear, there are certain matters before the courts, which I realise have been canvassed in the newspapers, and which we therefore cannot talk about. That is an issue. The director general has made very clear that there are legal provision which apply to everyone that phones cannot be in prison. My experience of prisons is very limited, only to the past few months, but anyone who enters a prison at any time knows that one of the first things that is done is one's mobile phone is taken-----