Mr. Gerry Loftus:

The carbon navigator is not a measurement for every farmer. There are a very limited number of farmers in the beef genomics scheme. It is not resulting in accurate measurements. We need this to be done right across the board, mandatory for every farmer, if we are to make a start on this. A voluntary scheme was mentioned in the CAP proposals. Commissioner Hogan's wording is now that farmers will have to "partake" in this. He has not said it is mandatory. If it is not mandatory, however, it is just a waste of time. It is a starting point to determine carbon credits. Of course carbon credits should be traded. They are being traded right now.