David Cullinane (Waterford, Sinn Fein) | Oireachtas source

I will finish my contribution on this because I am aware Deputy Catherine Murphy wants to get in.

There are different views on how prevalent bogus self-employment is. Mr. McKeon states that it is not as prevalent as some people think, whoever the some people are. It is possible it is exaggerated by some. My point is that we should have more accurate recording and more accurate data on how prevalent or not it is.

Because of its nature, it is difficult to determine when there is a case of bogus self-employment. For example, we had staff members of RTÉ before the committee who stated that they felt they were victims of bogus self-employment. An employer, not in this case, will say that he or she sees it differently. It is a difficult area. That is the point I was making earlier.

If we are not capturing the data correctly and if employment is not being properly recorded, we cannot be as definitive as Mr. McKeon is in saying that it is not as prevalent. Mr. McKeon may be correct. I would need the data to prove to me it is correct and I do not have it.