Seán Fleming (Laois, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

Okay. We will conclude shortly. Mr. Breslin gets the point I am making. I am not just talking about things that have happened while I have been Chairman of this committee. I was a member of the committee in the previous Dáil as well. The feeling I got from the HSE at that time was that when these matters go to the SCA, they are dealt with by the agency. The demarcation line is a bit too strong. There needs to be more collaboration and earlier learning. I know about the costs. We know about mediation. We know all that. I am just saying we are back to prevention and learning. That is the best way of reducing anything.