John McGuinness (Carlow-Kilkenny, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I am not going to get into an argument with the Minister of State about the 23%. It is an average figure for increases. As the Minister of State said earlier on, he is dealing with facts. That may be a fact, but it is also a fact that insurance for taxi drivers, truck drivers, and those who drive vans for their businesses has not decreased. That is a fact relative to a real trading business.