Dr. Graham Love:

There is another layer to this, if I may bring it up, namely, governing bodies in the institutions. Deputy Cullinane referred to this. There are 24-plus institutions and it is critical they get it right so there will not always be reliance on a central body such as the HEA or the Department. They have to be skilled and enabled, and they have to take responsibility for doing this stuff themselves. It should only be the trickle-over bit – the exception – that ends up-----