Mr. Mathew Horsman:

The fee from RTÉ would be €3.5 million. The gap for that fully costed model was just over €4 million. We identified that €4 million as being a requirement for an ongoing direct public money backstop. We pointed out that if there are better outcomes commercially - I do not suggest things should become overly commercial, they must be driven by the creative vision of the orchestras and the audience - things could flex and change over time and there could be a benefit for all funding parties, which ultimately would be in the best interest of the music lover or someone going to a concert or listening on the radio. We did not try to carve those numbers into stone but they were a pretty good reflection. As we have said, it was incumbent upon us to be logical and rational about it. We thought that was approximately the order of magnitude that made sense in terms of the funding parties. That is where the figure of €4 million comes from.