Eamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party) | Oireachtas source

We do not know because Mr. McCarthy could not give me the figure for what the emission savings would be, but we need to be on a particular trajectory to meet the 2030 target. Our transport emissions are rising by 4% per annum. Our agriculture emissions are rising; they are rising everywhere. Improving the NZEB building standards will not deliver the scale of emission reductions that would see the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government contributing to getting the country out of a hole in respect of the €600 million in fines we are facing. Europe will not let us off on this one. That €25 million is not enough. If it had been €250 million, we might be able to say we are on track. Would Mr. McCarthy not accept that we need a tenfold increase in ambition if we are to be serious about closing that gap?