Catherine Murphy (Kildare North, Social Democrats) | Oireachtas source

That is generally welcome because there is a consequence. We will not change behaviour unless there are consequences, and the public element was part of ensuring there would be a consequence. We saw it with the HSE when certain amounts were not paid, or they were paid in retrospect if they were in compliance. In fact, it changed behaviour markedly. It might be worth at some point considering talking to someone about institutional culture and how to change behaviour in order that we can have a range of things that might be available to us to suggest in the future. In other public account committees in other countries, what are the things that produced that kind of outcome? We should have a range of things we can suggest. I am putting it out there as a general point.