John Dolan (Independent) | Oireachtas source

The Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection pays for it. I note the reasonable point that there has not been an increase in the payment from the public purse. It is not a free travel pass in that sense. It is just that the punter who qualifies for it and uses it does not pay at that point. That comment is unhelpful. He said it was not a criticism of existing Government policy because he is not allowed to criticise Government policy. In effect, however, he is tilting at Government policy when he does not accept that there is a challenge to our public transport services to become fully accessible. To talk about a debate is very unhelpful.

There was much talk about older people, but many people with disabilities and mobility impairments are affected. Does somebody think that people get out of bed at 6 a.m. or 7 a.m. to be in the thick of rush hour traffic for the heck of it, and do the same at 4 p.m. or 4.30 p.m.? There is a reason they are doing this. Are they going to help their sons or daughters with childcare? Are they going to medical appointments? Research must be undertaken. There has to be an ethical and respectful approach to all of the public. In fairness to the NTA and all of us, it is a big challenge to make our public transport accessible. In this committee we have heard from the mouths of the people concerning the difficulties they routinely have, not just when there is a bus or train strike. Their hearts are palpitating every time they travel. I acknowledge the Chairman is writing a letter but the Secretary General should be given an opportunity to come here, as should the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection because it is part of it as well.