Ms Ann Heelan:

Looking at all of the systems, not so much at primary level but certainly at second level, further education and higher education, we have good policies around inclusion. We have targets, and certainly in higher education they are being met, albeit less so in further education. Students are getting in, there are no two ways about it. They are moving through the system and getting into the colleges. However, one of the problems, certainly in regard to students with disabilities, mature students and international students, is that the central system has not really changed. The mechanism for teaching, as somebody mentioned earlier, is that if we throw knowledge at them, most of them will learn anyway. Fair enough. However, we must consider vulnerable groups such as students from foster care and Travellers. There is a lot of students who need to be taught in a different way. In fact, that number is up to 40% in higher education. I do not know the figures in second level, but they are high. We need to move away from the more rigid teaching models. Dare I say it, even the leaving certificate needs to be reviewed. However, unless we-----