Catherine Connolly (Galway West, Independent) | Oireachtas source

I do not think we are going to get anywhere today. What I mean is Mr. Collins is saying something and at this point I have to accept it at face value. However, I do not. I want evidence that there is a return for the taxpayer in respect of spinout companies. I am not just referring to UCC and these witnesses. Everybody who has come before us has reassured us. However, when we went through this in detail, we could not see the evidence. We have asked the HEA to-----