Oireachtas Joint and Select Committees

Tuesday, 8 May 2018

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection

EU Employment Legislation and JobPath: Discussion (Resumed)

12:15 pm

Mr. John McKeon:

The Deputy mentioned bogus self-employment and precarious employment. We were very conscious of that in signing the contract. We had a look at what happened in other countries and we were determined that it would not happen here. The agreement is for 30 hours per week in a paid job. It is not for self-employment. The clients have to have an employer who has to submit P35s. It is 30 hours a week, full time, for at least 13 weeks. Self-employment, precarious work or work that is not permanent does not meet the agreement. That was in the contract Seetec signed so we are very careful about it. We are very aware of the flaws in the UK model. We are very aware of flaws in the models used in other countries. Some states in the United States have very good models and others have very weak models. Australia's model is better than that of the UK but I would argue that it is not as good as Ireland's. We were very careful to take all of that into account. We did a lot of research and involved many people in advising us on this. We have done our best to mitigate that issue. If the wider economy is heading towards a situation in which more people will require family income supplement or whatever, that is separate question. It is a question of budget policy and so on. To be fair, JobPath providers cannot do anything about that.

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