Ms Breda O'Keeffe:

We do not look at our programmes individually because of the dual-funded model. Programmes are funded by licence fee and they generate commercial revenue so we do not look at individual programmes.

I want to come back to the point on cost per hour and address the Chairman's point on efficiency, which it was remiss of me to let go because it is the same point. On transparency and cost per hour, we disclose our programme costs per hour by channel in our annual report. It is there. The Chairman has explored very well the range of costs per hour on our channels, which can vary.