Kate O'Connell (Dublin Bay South, Fine Gael) | Oireachtas source

The population of Ireland is similar to the population of Manchester. There seem to be a lot of people involved and a lot of people moving around the organisational structure, being in one place and going to another place. It is very hard to track who was in what job when, and who was responsible.

Does Mr. O'Brien accept at this point that the organisational structure of the HSE is not fit for purpose because it does not actually have anything to do with organisation? To my mind, it is to do with diminishing pathways to accountability or somehow making it more confusing for people like me. Mr. O'Brien is head of the HSE. Given that we are dealing with a subset of population the size of a major city in the UK and have made such a hames of the situation, I do not know how he thinks his position is tenable at this stage.