Mr. Joseph Nugent:

I would not contribute in that fashion. I do not leave the room but the audit committee is aware of the conflicts and we make a declaration. We make a comment at the start of the meeting about conflicts where they arise. I do not get involved in discussions where such matters arise. I agree it is not an ideal situation but it is a measure that has to remain in place until such time as we have a further deputy commissioner in that space, at which stage, clearly, I will step out of the role and a different deputy commissioner will take responsibility for the area.