Dr. Matthew Crowe:

Except the homeless. I thank the Deputy for that. People can understand that the home they live in can be more energy efficient. Of course, the heating issue comes back to the type of fuel that is being used to heat the home. There is an opportunity there to do something which can engage almost the entire country which is worth considering.

Deputy Eamon Ryan mentioned the Citizens' Assembly. I wanted to make a couple of observations about that. I was fortunate to be able to sit in on the first day of the discussions on climate change. It was a superb process. There is a great deal that we can learn from the process as well as from the report that was published in the past few days. As the climate dialogue is evolving, there are many lessons to be learned from the way it was done, and the fact that one had 99 citizens in a room discussing a fairly complex topic such as climate change over two weekends, being given the information in a dispassionate way by a bunch of different people from different organisations, and then discussing it themselves and coming up with the conclusions they did. It is incredibly powerful. There is a lot of richness in that report and we can all benefit from looking at that, working through the report and seeing how we can best evolve it. In terms of engaging citizens, there is a lot to be learned just from the process of how the Citizens' Assembly was run.