James Lawless (Kildare North, Fianna Fail) | Oireachtas source

I have other questions but I wish to stay on that point for another minute. While I appreciate what the Minister of State is saying, the €5.5 million for PhDs and research masters is not bricks and mortar. It is not PRTLI and is not what PRTLI is about. It is a separate fund with a separate purpose. He mentioned an Innovation 2020 target. Again, that is great but we are looking at the Estimates and a cold hard figure of €14 million. I will come back to Innovation 2020 in another question but what is in Innovation 2020 does not matter. What matters is what is on this page, what is actually being spent and what is being voted. We are seeing a sum of €14 million, not €200 million, €250 million or €300 million. While it is great that Innovation 2020 has a target is great, it would be better were the target actually reality. Perhaps we missed that target, I do not know. On the institutes of technology and the universities, I totally agree. I would not for a minute make any distinction. It was my understanding from different statements made previously that the new fund was only for the institutes of technology. That was why I was querying it. Certainly, I think it should be all the one. I make those points and I will move on to the next item-----