Mr. Michael Bowe:

The studies date back a few years. I am certainly no expert when it comes to understanding what it actually means. In pounds, shillings and pence one can see it written on a piece of paper. I assume there are people who write up these formulas, but I do not quite get it. However, it is the evidence. That is why we would have loved to have seen the publication of the Indecon report to bring it out further and see what is the current status. I will try to answer the question in a different way. On a daily basis, one sees the impact in the community as somebody moves on. It is hard to capture the hidden benefit in other parts of the family as somebody moves on. It is hard to quantify the impact of something like it, but every organisation sees it, including the Department and Turas Nua. We all see the other side of the benefit to society, including the reduction in health care costs and social welfare payments. I do not know if I am answering the Chairman's question, but I do not really have hard facts. I assume the people who carried out the studies knew how they were putting the figures together; therefore, we take them at face value and as fact.