Mr. Declan Carlyle:

It has been stated that there was no engagement with the trade union, but there was. Under the legal requirements, the submission was signed by the committee as the trustee, by the sponsoring employer and by the actuary, who was required to sign it as well. It complied with the legal requirements. There are various narratives to the effect that there is a requirement for engagement and agreement with the union for a submission to be legal, but that is not the case. It may be preferable, but it is not the case.