Mr. John Arkins:

I have been working in the industry for 27 years. There are 77 grades in the film industry - 77 different departments mobilise together to make a film or a television show. Every one of those jobs is identified and that is the only application in respect of which one can work. If somebody is not making a film, I cannot be a self-employed unit driver because the only time I am hired is when somebody is making a film and I am required to pick up an actor, staff and a crew member.

We can do that across the 77 applications and one could argue that the 77 applications are all employees. We do not understand what the out-sourcing of employment is giving to service providers who do not have any other clients. They do not have any other outlet for their business unless someone is making a film or television show. If someone can explain to me how someone-----