Mr. Deaglán Ó Briain:

The Department of Justice and Equality manages all the initiatives directly with the exception of the initiative of migrant integration, so from our perspective, it is one thing out of the entire package. Pobal costs money and the costs are visible. I would make the point that it costs Departments money because we must employ staff to manage programmes and those costs are not visible, so we must be careful about comparing like with like.