Mr. Jimmy Martin:

Yes, but when they were interviewed they were asked about their experience, the people who might have been in the institution at the same time, whether they had any photographs or mementos that would indicate whether they were there or not. From some of that material we may have been able to get a time pattern but, generally, there was no indication of a time pattern. On average, therefore, unless there was testimony to the opposite, they would have been offered four years, and most of them were happy with that.