Mr. Liam Woods:

The issue of undue deference has been raised several times. In my experience, by and large, it is historical. Consultants and their representative associations would give the committee a better sense of it, but I do not experience it in fulfilling my duties. There has been a very significant change from the time when potentially there was a culture of greater deference being shown. The committee may need to talk to some consultants to understand the true nature of that relationship, but that is-----